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Source: http://wiki.cotch.net/index.php/List_of_creationist_arguments
The original list of Creationist arguments was compiled by Talk.Origins regular, Mark Isaak, and answers to many of the claims can already be found on the newsgroup, and on Mark's page at http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/index.html
See also: List of controversies, List of creationism topics, :Category:Creationist claims
Filosofi dan Teologi
Etika
- Darwin adalah ateis
- Survival of the fittest implies might makes right
- Evolution is racist
- Evolution encourages eugenics
- Evolution encourages promiscuity and lust
- Evolution teaches that we are animals and to behave as such
- Homosexuality receives approval from evolutionists
- Evolutionists are intellectual snobs
- Biology can reasonably be taught without evolution
- Scientists lie if they talk about an old earth and evolution
- Evolution asserts that human thoughts and behaviors are dictated by our biology and environment
Epistemology
Foundation of Knowledge
- Argument from incredulity
- Argument from Authority
- An evolved mind is fallible, its conclusions untrustworthy
- Since many details of evolution are questioned by evolutionists, one should question the whole theory
Theory of Science
- Evolusi hanya sebuah teori
- Evolution hasn't been proved
- Evolution doesn't make predictions
- Evolution can't be falsified
- Evolution is not useful
- Evolution is ambiguously defined
- Evolution can't be replicated
- Were you there?
- Creation can't be disproved
- Evolution should be treated as a matter of belief
- Interpreting evidence is not the same as observation
- Ockham's Razor says simplest explanation (creation) is preferred
- Scientific findings are always changing
Pedagogy
- Fairness demands evolution and creation be given equal time
- Teach the controversy
- Teach the weaknesses
- Common Question Argument
Scientific Method
- Science is naturalistic
- Scientists find what they expect to find
- Scientists are pressured not to challenge established dogma
- Scientists are motivated to support naturalism and reject creationism
- Many scientists are willing to bend observations to make them fit evolution
- Acceptance of evolution instead of creation has psychological rather than scientific reasons
- Creationists are prevented from publishing in science journals
- Evolutionists don't accept debate challenges
- No gradual biochemical evolution models have been published
- Survival of the fittest is a tautology
- Creationism and evolution are the only 2 models
- There is no other working explanation besides creation
- Evolution excludes the existence of a creator
- The Origin of Species does not address speciation
- Biologists will want to throw you out of the class if you don't believe in evolution
- People will stop believing in evolution after you feed them creationist arguments
- Evolutionary explanations keep changing, while creationist accounts remain the same
Teologi
- Biblical Creationism
- Evolusi membutuhkan naturalisme
- Evolution is atheistic
- Evolution is a religion
- If man comes from random causes, life has no purpose or meaning
- Without a literal Fall, there is no need for Jesus and redemption
- Animals are not moral, esthetic, idealistic, or religious
- Do you want to be descended from a monkey?
- Death and suffering before humanity implies an unmerciful God
- Pope's statement about evolution was mistranslated
- It is not true that the church used to teach a flat earth
- The proposition that human beings are created in the image of God is one of the bedrock principles on which Western civilization was built
Biologi
Abiogenesis
- Pasteur membuktikan kehidupan berasal dari kehidupan (hukum biogenesis)
- The odds of life forming are incredibly small
- DNA needs proteins to form; Proteins need DNA
- Why isn't new life still being generated today?
- Not all amino acids needed for life have been formed experimentally
- Early molecules would have decayed
- Miller's experiments had invalid assumption of type of atmosphere
- Life uses only left-handed amino acids
- Abiogenesis is speculative, without evidence
- Evolution is baseless without a theory of abiogenesis
- Amino acids would not polymerize
- Naturalistic mechanisms do not provide a means for making life from simple molecules
- Dawkins acknowledges that generation of a self-replicator is more than improbable
*Richard Dickerson had no explanation for generation of macromolecules
*Generation of macromolecules is one of the hardest problems evolutionists have to fight
*Mathematicians regard events with probabilities smaller than x as impossible
*Membranes are too complex to have existed during abiogenesis
*Dawkins said aliens created life on earth
Genetika
:* The chances of related mutations occurring are too low
- Most mutations are harmful
- Mutations don't add information
- Microevolution selects only existing variation
- Mutations increase genetic load
- Cost of natural selection is prohibitive (Haldane's dilemma)
- Junk DNA is not really junk
- DNA is the result of intelligence because it contains readable information
- Seleksi alam hanya dapat menjelaskan evolusi mikro
- A one percent difference in chimpanzee-human DNA is huge, given that mice and humans share 98% of their DNA
- Evolution is so improbable that it can be considered impossible
Biologi Molekuler
Physiology and Anatomy
*What use is half an eye?
* The ear is too complex to have evolved
* The brain is too complex to have evolved
* The bombardier beetle is too complex to have evolved
* Bombardier beetle chemicals would explode if mixed without an inhibitor
* Butterfly metamorphosis is too complex to have evolved
* Evolution can't explain butterfly evolving from caterpillar
* The giraffe neck couldn't evolve without a special circulatory system
* The woodpecker tongue couldn't have evolved
* Organs and organ systems would be useless until all parts are in place
* Snake venom and hollow fangs couldn't have evolved simultaneously
- Sex can't have evolved
- Vestigial organs may have functions
- Vestigial organs are just evidence of decay, not evolution
- Spinal treatments based on evolutionary theory fail
Perilaku dan Kognisi
- Evolusi tidak dapat menjelaskan kesadaran
- Instincts are too complex to have evolved
- Evolution doesn't explain language ability
- Evolution doesn't explain homosexuality
- Evolution doesn't explain morals
- Evolution doesn't explain altruism
- Evolution doesn't explain cooperation
- Evolution doesn't explain art
- Evolution doesn't explain music
- Evolution doesn't explain personality and emotions
- Evolution doesn't explain religion
Botani
- Dendrochronology is suspect because 2 or more rings can grow per year
- Evolusi tidak dapat menjelaskan fotosintesis
Ecology and Population Biology
- Cerita ngengat Biston Betularia tidak lagi dapat diandalkan
- Microevolution selects only existing variation
- The first individual of a new species wouldn't find a mate
- Human population growth indicates a young earth
- Humanity was traced back to an African Eve
Biologi perkembangan
- Haeckel memalsukan gambar-gambar embriologinya
- Human embryos don't have gill slits
- Genes with major effects on development are conserved across phyla
Sistematika
- Sains tidak dapat mendefinisikan spesies
- Organisms come in discrete kinds
- Homology can't be evidence of ancestry if it is defined thus
- Phylogenetic analyses are inconsistent
- Evolution from a single ancestor is discredited
Evolusi
- Evolusi makro tidak pernah teramati
- Small changes do not imply large changes
- No entirely new features have evolved
- Tidak ada spesies baru yang teramati berevolusi
- Evolution hasn't been observed nowadays
- No new body parts have evolved
- New structures would be useless until fully developed
- No 2-celled life exists intermediate between one- and multi-celled
- We don't see creatures in various stages of completion
- Preadaptation implies organs evolved before they were needed
- Why aren't beneficial traits evolved more often?
- Evolution doesn't explain our using 1/10th of our brain
- Some fossil species are still living
- Some modern species are apparently degenerate, not higher forms
- Pure chance can't create new structures
- How do things know how to evolve?
- Over-specialization with no adaptive value sometimes occurs
- Long-term trends (orthogenesis) doesn't fit evolutionary theory
- Proposed evolution scenarios are just-so stories
- Biologists say there are six basic concepts of evolution
- Naturalistic mechanisms do not provide a means for making sufficient new genetic material to cause ascent from microscopic organisms to large life forms
- The original organism from which all others are decended has never been observed
Paleontologi
Antropologi Fisik
Questionable fossils
- Specific hominid fossils were hoaxed
- All human fossils would fit on a billiard table
- Anthropologists disagree
All hominid fossils are fully human or fully ape
- Transitional fossils between man and ape are evolutionist's only hope to find evidence for a relationship
- Neanderthals were fully human and were not a different species‎
- Evolutionists think that apes became ever fitter when climbing the evolutionary ladder
- Theory of human evolution was based on wishful thinking from the beginning
- Identity of human ancestors is lost in the past
- Neanderthal was based on a disfigured human
- Laetoli footprints were human
- KP 271 (a fossil humerus) was human
- Australopithecus was fully ape, closer to chimp
- Heidelberg Man was built from a jaw bone that was conceded by many to be quite human
- We don't have any evidence of change since Homo sapiens first appeared as a fossil 50,000 years ago
- Pictures of apemen are based on imagination
Human fossils are out of place
*Human footprints have been found with dinosaur tracks at Paluxy
*Sandal footprints have been found associated with trilobites
*Moab man was found in Cretaceous sandstone
*Malachite man was found in Cretaceous sandstone
*Castenedolo, Olmo, and Calaveras skulls were found in Pliocene strata
*Baugh found a fossilized finger from the Cretaceous
*A petrified hammer was found in Cretaceous rocks
*Richard Leakey found a normal human skull under a layer of rock dated at 212 million years
*A 40,000 year-old skeleton found in China has raised questions about the "out of Africa" hypothesis on how early modern humans populated the planet.
Antropologi Lainnya
*Kalau kita keturunan kera, kenapa masih ada kera?
*One suggested ancestry line for humans is: Lucy, Heidelberg Man, Nebraska Man, Piltdown Man, Peking Man, Neanderthal Man, New Guinea Man, Cro-Magnon Man, Modern Man
*New Guinea Man dates way back to 1970 and has been found in the region just north to Australia
Fosil Transisi
*The transition of Human skulls are sculptured creations which have been debunked
*Tidak ada fosil transisi
There should be billions of transitional fossils
There should be transitionals among living creatures
*We should see a smooth continuum through the fossil record
Punctuated equilibrium was ad hoc to justify gaps
Punctuated equilibrium is the opposite of standard evolutionary theory
*[[ggg|[Fossil record doesn't show transition from simple organisms to complex ones since bacteria are already complex]]]
*Evolution requires progress through many nonfunctional intermediates
*Fossil record doesn't show progress
*Some species don't seem to evolve for millions of years
*Speciation hasn't been observed in the fossil record
*Specific examples of non-transition
There are gaps between invertebrate-vertebrate
There are gaps between fish-amphibian
There are gaps between amphibian-reptile
There are no fossil ancestors of dinosaurs
There are gaps between reptile-bird
*Archaeopteryx was probably not an ancestor of modern birds
**Archaeopteryx is fully bird
*Protoavis disproves avian phylogenetics
There are gaps between reptile-mammal
*There is no fossil evidence for transition from reptile maxilla to mammal ear bones
There are gaps between land mammals and whales
Horse fossils don't show evolution
There are no fossil giraffes with shorter necks
There are no fossil ancestors of monkeys
Arthropods arose suddenly
There are no fossil ancestors of insects
There are no fossil ancestors of plants
There are gaps between plant-animal
**Anteater evolution is uncertain
Catatan Fosil
*Ledakan Kambria menunjukkan semua mahluk hidup muncul mendadak
Cambrian explosion contradicts evolutionary tree pattern
*Dating of fossils
Fossils are dated from strata; strata are dated from fossils
*The fossil record shows sudden appearance followed by stasis
*Polystrate fossils
Polystrate fossils indicate massive sudden deposition
*Yellowstone's Specimen Creek fossil forests were evidently transported
**Specimen Creek fossil trees grew at the same time
Orientations show Specimen Creek fossil trees were transported
*A fossil whale was found vertically through several strata
*Some fossils are out of place
Recent pollen has been found in old rocks
*Some fossils are faked
Archaeopteryx is a fake
Archaeoraptor was a fake
*Taphonomy
No new fossils are being formed
Fossils can form quickly
*Coal and oil can form quickly
*Mammoths have been found quickly frozen
*Contorted positions of fossil animals indicate rapid burial
Large collections of fossils indicate catastrophism
Fossilization requires sudden burial
Sea fossils have been found on mountaintops
Footprints in Coconino sandstone appear to have been made underwater
***Coconino sandstone was deposited underwater
*The fossil record does not show evidence of reproduction
Methodology
*Paleontolog merekonstruksi manusia purba dari satu tulang saja
Geology
Geochronology
*Radiometric dating makes false assumptions
Radiometric dating falsely assumes rocks are closed systems
Radiometric dating falsely assumes initial conditions are known
Radiometric dating falsely assumes no isotopes added or removed
Cosmic rays and free neutrinos affect U and Ar decay rates
*Radiometric dating gives unreliable results
Carbon dating gives inaccurate results
*Variable C14/C12 ratio invalidates C14 dating
*Vollosovitch and Dima mammoths yielded inconsistent C14 dates
*Living snails were C14 dated at 2,300 and 27,000 years old
*A freshly killed seal was C14 dated at 1300 years old
*Triassic wood from Australia was dated at 33K years old
*Ancient oil is C14 dated as only 50,000 years old
U-Th dating gives inaccurate results for modern volcanic rocks
K-Ar dating gives inaccurate results for modern volcanic rocks
*K-Ar dates of 1986 dacite from Mount St. Helens are very old
Isochron dating gives unreliable results
*Isochron date of young Grand Canyon lava is excessively old
**Zircons retain too much helium for an old earth
*Consistency of radiometric dating comes from selective reporting
*The ages of fossils are arrived at by guessing
*Biologists think that Carbon 14 proves evolution
Geological Column
*Entire geological column doesn't exist
*Geological column is sometimes out of order
**Out-of-order strata occur at the Lewis overthrust
*Geologic column is based on the assumption of evolution
*Meteor craters are never found in deeper strata
*Meteorites are never found in deeper strata
Sedimentation
*Uniformitarian assumption is untenable
*Sandstone & shale layers are too extensive for normal deposition
*Limestone & dolomite layers are too extensive for normal deposition
*Mouth of Colorado river doesn't have enough sediments for Grand Canyon
*Mississippi delta could have formed in 5000 years
*Not enough sediments in the ocean for an old earth
**Much more sediment is deposited than removed by subduction
*Oceans haven't enough dissolved minerals for an old earth
*Juvenile water is added to oceans too fast for an old earth
*Natural gas escapes too fast to allow for long ages
*High pressures in oil fields would have bled off if earth were old
*Oil seepage would have drained offshore reservoirs in 20,000 years
*Experiments show that strata can violate principles of superposition
*Varves can form in less than a year
*Stalactites can grow very rapidly
Evaporation
*Evaporites could form without evaporation
*Evaporites are too thick
*Evaporites contain no organic matter
Glaciation
*WWII airplanes are now beneath thousands of annual ice layers
Mountain Building
*On an old earth, mountains would have eroded by now
*Volcanic mountains are built too fast for an old earth
*Folded rocks must have been soft when folded
Erosion
*Erosion rate of Niagara Falls' rim indicates young earth
*Average soil depth is consistent with young earth
Geophysics & Plate tectonics
*Earth's magnetic field is decaying, indicating a young earth
**Cowling's theorem disproves dynamo theory of earth's magnetic field
Climate Change
Astronomi
Bumi
*Tidak cukup helium di atmosfer untuk bumi yang tua
*Ilmuan NASA menemukan atu hari yang hilang
*Rotasi bumi melambat, menunjukkan bumi yang muda
**Frekuensi detik yang bertindih mmenunjukkan bumi yang muda
*Sebuah bumi tua akan ditutupi oleh 182' debu meteorit
Bulan
*Tidak cukup debu bulan untuk alam semesta tua
*Bulan mendekat terlalu cepat untuk alam semesta tua
*Gempa bulan, aliran lava, dan emisi gas menunjukkan mudanya bulan
Planet & Tata Surya
*[Suhu dan atmosfer Venus mesti mengikis tampilan permukaannya
*Aktivitas vulkanis besar Io menunjukkan usia muda
*Yupiter dan saturnus mendingin terlalu cepat kalau ia tua
*Cincin Saturnus tidak stabil
*3 planet dan beberapa bulan berputar mundur
*Gerakan retrograde planet menyangkal Big Bang
*Komet tidak akan ada di alam semesta tua
*Awan Oort dan sabuk Kuiper adalah fantasi ad hoc astronom
*Angin matahari membersihkan tata surya dari partikel
*Efek Poynting-Robertson menghilangkan debu tata surya tua
Matahari & Bintang
*Tidak ada neutrino matahari menunjukkan model bintang muda
*Momentum sudut matahari kecil
*Pengerutan matahari menunjukkan matahari muda
*Teori kontraksi Helmholtz mengatakan matahari muda
*Paradoks matahari muda kontradiksi dengan bumi tua
*Sirius bintang merah 2000 tahun lalu
*Galaksi mesti kehilangan bentuk spiralnya dalam jutaan tahun
Cosmology
*There are too few supernova remnants for an old universe
*Physical constants are only assumed constant
Speed of light has changed
*Physicists found that the speed of light was once faster
**Gravitational time dilation made distant clocks run faster
*Cosmos has an axis, contrary to Big Bang models
*Red shift comes from light aging, not expansion of the universe
*Where did space, time, energy, and laws of physics come from?
*Explosions such as the Big Bang don't produce order or information
*Big Bang has never been observed
Fisika
Hukum kedua termodinamika dan Teori Informasi
*Evolusi melanggar hukum kedua termodinamika
Hukum kedua termodinamika mengatakan sistem harus lebih kacau seiring waktu
Hukum kedua, dan tren untuk kekacauan, dalah universal
Instruksi perlu untuk menghasilkan keteraturan
Hukum kedua mengenai kerumitan teroganisir, bukan entropi
Evolusi membutuhkan mekanisme perubah energi untuk menggunakan energi
*Kerumitan tidak muncul dari kesederhanaan
Tornado di tempat sampah tidak akan menghasilkan apapun
*Bagaimana informasi, seperti DNA, menyusun dirinya sendiri?
*Hukum kedua termodinamika berlaku pada teori informasi
*Simulasi sibernetik menunjukkan proses Darwinian tidak menghasilkan keteraturan
*Algoritma evolusioner diselundupkan alam desain fungsi kelestarian
**Hasil dari program WEASEL Dawkins ditentukan sebelumnya
*Gluon tidak ada karena tiada pernah melihatnya, jadi pasti tuhan memegang nucleus
Hukum pertama termodinamika
*Alam semesta tidak dapat muncul dari ketiadaan
Peluruhan radioaktif
*Carbon-14 dalam deposit batu bara menunjukkan bumi muda
*Halo polonium menunjukkan bumi yang muda
*Penanggalan radiometrik dengan salah beranggapan tingkatnya konstan
*Isotop berumur pendek Th-230 danU-236 ada di bulan
Miscellaneous Anti-Evolution
History
*Darwin recanted on his death bed
*The oldest living thing is younger than 4900 years
*3000 years is time enough for all languages, religions to develop
*Oldest structures, such as pyramids, are already very complex
Linguistics
*Chinese glyph for ark is literally 8 mouths
*First known languages are highly complex
*Why are languages getting less complex?
Folklore
*There are flood myths from all over the world
*Babylonian creation myth does not resemble Genesis account
Arguments based upon other scientific fields
*Evolutionary theory in computer science has been unsuccessful
Law
*Federal law (Santorum Amendment) supports teaching alternatives
*It has never been against the law to teach the Bible or creation in public schools
*Biologists will want to have you jailed for mentioning Bible or creation in public schools
*Nebraska man was presented as significant evidence in the Scopes trial
*Piltdown man was presented as significant evidence in the Scopes trial
Appeals to fair play
** Evolutionists are intellectual snobs
** Biologists will want to have you jailed for mentioning Bible or creation in public schools
** Fairness demands evolution and creation be given equal time
** Teach the controversy
** Teach the weaknesses
Biblical Creationism
Creationism Generally
*Creationism has explanatory power
*Creationism, being Bible-based, is good
**Learning creationism stimulates mental health, joy, and morals
*Genesis is foundational to the Bible
*Non-creationist Christians are compromisers
*Creation can't be disproved
Biblical Accuracy
*The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it
*The Bible is inerrant
If part of the Bible is wrong, none of it can be trusted
*The Bible is literal
Genesis must be literal; it is straighforward narrative
Genesis must be literal; later writers refer to it as fact
*Jesus refers to creation and flood as though they were literal
*Bible claims inspiration
*Prophecies prove the accuracy of the Bible
*The Bible must be accurate because archaeology supports it
*Bible's accuracy on other scientific points shows overall accuracy
Bible says the earth is round
Bible says the earth is unsupported
Bible got water cycle right
Records say civilization was man's original state
Bible specifies good medical and hygienic practices
*Bible specifies best time for circumcision
*Moses reveals that blood is the essence of life
*Bible is unique in other ways
Bible is popular
Bible is influential
Bible is target of persecution
**Bible is intellectually honest
*Bible is harmonious throughout
Young Earth Creationism
Age of the Universe
*The universe is 6000-10000 years old
*The earth is 6000-10000 years old
*The universe was created with apparent age
*Humans are a few thousand years old, not millions
Death and the Fall
*There was no death or decay before the Fall
**Animals ate plants before the Fall
*Pre-flood vapor canopy would have made world Edenic
*Pre-flood vapor canopy would have extended human lifetimes
*Life is deteriorating
**Parasites are degenerations of free-living species
Flood
*Source of Flood
Vapor canopy
Flood from comet
Hydroplate theory
Runaway subduction
*The Ark
Noah's Ark has been found
*We can expect to find Noah's Ark on Mt. Ararat
*Noah's Ark may have been photographed on Ararat in 1949
*ERTS satellite photographed Noah's Ark in 1973
*Noah's Ark has been found near Dogubayazit, Turkey
Anchor stones of Noah's Ark have been found
The Turkish government officially recognized the site of Noah's Ark
*James Bryce found a 4-foot timber high on Ararat
*Navarra retrieved hand-hewn wood from high on Ararat
*Hardwicke Knight found soft wood timbers on Ararat
*Yearam guided 3 vile scientists to Noah's Ark in 1916
*An 1883 Turkish expedition found Noah's Ark
*Prince Nouri of Baghdad found the Ark in 1887
*Hagopian visited the Ark with his uncle around 1908
*Russian aviator Roskovitsky photographed the Ark
*Resit, a Kurdish farmer, found the Ark in 1948
Animals on the Ark
*Insects survived on floating vegetation mats
*All kinds could fit
Juveniles of large animals were taken aboard
Average land animal is the size of a sheep
*Animals hibernated on the Ark
*Crew could feed and care for animals
Many animals don't require fresh or live food
*Pre-Flood animals lived in a uniform climate
*Animals' exacting needs could have evolved after the flood
*Effects of the Flood
Aquatic organisms could have survived the Flood
Plants could have survived the Flood
Geologic column was deposited by the Flood
*Seashells on mountains are evidence of a flood
Fossils were deposited by the Flood
*Fossil order was determined by the Flood
Fossils sorted by ecological zonation
Fossils sorted hydrologically
Fossils sorted by ability to escape
Fossils sorted by a combination of these factors
High mountains were raised during the Flood
The Flood shaped the earth's surface in other ways
Grand Canyon was carved by retreating Flood waters
*Rapid erosion on Mt. St. Helens shows Grand Canyon could form suddenly
The Flood caused an ice age
Dinosaurs
*Man and dinosaurs coexisted
Ica stones show humans and dinosaurs coexisted
Dinosaur figurines from Acambaro show human/dino association
Behemoth, from the book of Job, was a dinosaur
*Leviathan, from the book of Job, was a dinosaur
Dragons were dinosaurs
*Some dinosaurs breathed fire
Day-Age Creationism
*Genesis 1 got the order of events right
Geocentrism
*Bible says the sun goes around the earth
*Relativity shows geocentrism is true
Desain Cerdas
ID as Science
*Intelligent design theory is scientific
Intelligent design theory is not religious
Intelligent design is not creationism
Intelligent design is mainstream
*Intelligent design has passed scientific peer-review
*Intelligent design has explanatory power
Intelligent design forms the kernel of many other sciences
*Evidence for design disproves evolutionary mechanisms
*There is a law of conservation of information
Mendeteksi Desain
*Design is detectable
*Kerumitan menunjukkan desain
*Kerumitan yang tak teruraikan menunjukkan desain
*Complex specified information indicates design
*Dembski's filter can detect design
Specified information criterion produces no false positives
*Genetic algorithms require a designer to specify desired outcome
*Purpose indicates design
*Functional integration indicates design
*Similarities in DNA and anatomy are due to common design
Similar structures for similar functions, different for different
**Convergent Evolution is proof for reuse of the same template
*SETI researchers expect they can detect design
First Cause
*There must have been a first cause
Anthropic Principle
*Cosmos is fine-tuned to permit human life
*Cosmos is fine-tuned to permit scientific discovery
Meta-arguments
*Evolutionists have blinded themselves to seeing design
*Design requires a designer
Other Creationism
Vedic Creationism
*Mankind has existed essentially unchanged for billions of years





